So your service pattern would look something like this, which is perfectly doable, north of 63rd Q, T to Fulton local, 15TPH each Diamond crossover tracks exist west (railroad north) of the station for northbound trains and east for southbound trains. Some of the old trolley poles are still there! from those two subway stations The point is that anything involving using an extension of B Division is more complicated, for no reason, than just extending the IRT. There is also limited rush hour 2 and 5 services here. Flatbush Av-Brooklyn College is 2338 yards away, 28 min walk. Also major problem. The subway itself would run straight down Utica Ave with potential stations at Empire Blvd, Linden Blvd-Church Ave and Clarendon Rd. It lets light through the middle When looking at your plans for Utica Avenue, you seem to only put emphasize on what the area is like now and not in the future. The station's other fare control area has two staircases going down to each platform, a crossover, part-time turnstile bank and customer assistance booth, high entry/exit turnstiles that provide full-time access to and from the station, and two staircases going up to either side of Fulton Street between Stuyvesant and Schenectady Avenues. That gives you much more cacapity to work with than just the 10 tph you be stuck with via your plan (assuming you mean to have it be the Queens Blvd branch of 2nd Ave). But the question is what is more dire, commuters coming from Wall St (with their many different subway options) or those coming from Williamsburg (with the congested L)? The Queens Boulevard Express turns out 15 TPH each on its two services, and if anything DeKalb is the major limitation here; at least with Sixth Avenue its not the biggest deal since the merges on both ends of CPW also limit capacity. And thats a jump I dont think we could ever make. In California money itd be about 2. One of the main reasons that the City wanted to build the IND was to replace the existing elevated lines which were old, slow, and unpopular as they cast streets in shadow and soot. Most of these riders are coming from the bus so simply extending the IRT south isnt going to strain the system. I know this is something that the City wont consider if they ever release their Utica Ave plan which is why I want to start the discussion now. Renovations also added new old-fashioned light fixtures with modern sodium-vapor lamps in them, which are suspended on long rods from the high, vaulted ceilings. Alon Levy did a back-of-the-napkin estimate of how much a mostly elevated line would cost and found it a better cost per rider than even 2nd Ave. For future expansion of the system we need to be open to thinking outside the box. 14 St. W 14 St and 7th Ave, W 13 St and 7th Ave, W 12 St and 7th Ave. Two island platforms. Its smaller for the same reason an Olds Runabout is smaller than a Model T: the technological limitations of the day. 11. [25][26][27][28][29] Just east of this station, a bellmouth splits away from the local track on both levels, and curves south. The Utica Ave Subway has always played second fiddle to its more well known and well documented younger sibling 2nd Ave. on Jamaica Ave to burrow the Broadway El into Fulton Lines station. Kings Hy/Beverly Rd is 564 yards away, 7 min walk. "Not a lot of people get to see this area," said Doug Nintzel with the . Look at the ceiling from the open platform, and at the mezzanine area at the north end. Emergency responders rushed to the A/C . The line's section to Atlantic Avenue was part of Contract 2 of the Interborough Rapid Transit Company (IRT)'s plan to construct an extension of the original subway, Contract 1. There was a gas station, a gift shop, and Valentine's diner in the post. We dont need to tear down the EL. Lest I bring on comparisons to Robert Moses I would like to point out that on the western side of Utica Ave, from the Bay Ridge Line to Flatbush Ave, there are exactly 9 residential buildings. Crime Statistics (PDF) Crime Statistics (Excel) Contact Information. The closest stations to Utica Avenue are: Utica Av/Beverly Rd is 115 yards away, 2 min walk. Building it to B Division clearances is good but making it B Div from the get-go would be better still. Small black tile captions reading "UTICA" in white lettering on a black background run below the trim line at regular intervals. This staircase leads up to a small mezzanine where there is a token booth and turnstiles. Mayor Bill de Blasio has asked the Metropolitan Transportation Authority to examine bringing No. Is it correct that Culver has connections in place for the 8th Ave line? If you tried to create a branch off of Fulton for Utica it would be very costly and awkward, but not impossible. BUT in order for that to happen you have to shut down service between Franklin and Flatbush and Franklin and New Lots. And theres no room there for it. Utica Avenue is served by the New York City Subway 's IRT Eastern Parkway Line ( 3 and 4 trains) at the Crown Heights-Utica Avenue station at Eastern Parkway [1] and by the IND Fulton Street Line ( A and C trains) at the Utica Avenue station on Fulton Street. Well, actually its curving away but Ave H avoid the curve and take you to it at Albany Ave. And from that point its all residential and there are no freight sidings. Maybe that money would deliver more bang for the buck if applied here. Looking at Census data based on commuting patterns of riders coming from the two zip codes along Utica Ave the primary destination for most riders is downtown Brooklyn with Midtown West second. I disagree that people can just simply take a bus, but extending the Nostrand Av line south is needed. Located under Eastern Parkway near Utica Avenue in Crown Heights, Brooklyn, it is served by the 4 train at all times and the 3 train at all times except late nights. Viaducts where possible. Despite this residents of southern and southeastern Brooklyn would continually oppose any plan that involved elevated trains (even extensions of the Nostrand Ave Line as an elevated were blocked). By SAS standards thatd run to 7 billion. Whats needed for this to work, however, is the rebuilding of the Rogers Junction, the junction of the trunk and the Nostrand Ave Line at Franklin Ave. because Im so taken with the main idea of applying a new technique to Lets see how we might mitigate the new round of issues you brought up. If we are going to think outside the box, we ust consider the people who will be having trains running through their buildings while a stop is not even placed within walking distance. The 3 cannot be extended as, in order to get the most capacity out of the line, the Rogers Junction needs to be rebuilt and this will segregate local and express trains. Crown Heights-Utica Avenue is a station on the IRT Eastern Parkway Line of the New York City Subway. 5 all times except late nights, 6. See the problem? Train operators. And another commenter hit upon phasing. but towards one side for easy attachment to a ground level station house. The Utica Avenue subway would bring new rapid transit service to parts of Crown Heights . Its an extremely clever plan that I and many other would have never of came up with but there are some wholes that are worth being built up. And also, what will take the (B)s place as the Brighton Express? The two street staircases lead out to the two malls on either side of the main road of Eastern Parkway on the west side of Schenectady Avenue. Located under Eastern Parkway near Utica Avenue in Crown Heights, Brooklyn, it is served by the 4 train at all times and the 3 train at all times except late nights. Would it be possible to connect the Utica Avenue like with the Fulton Street line? Abandoned Mineral . Reviving the Nassau loop will only gain low ridership. The storage/layup tracks ends with bumper blocks on both ends, with a switch to the northbound express track on its west end and a switch to the southbound express track on the east end.[8][7]. When the IRT built the Eastern Parkway Line between 1915 and 1918 they built into it a provision for a future branch down Utica Ave (the IRT, in fact, built its entire Brooklyn section with many provisions for future expansion that either never happened or ended up being built by a competing company). is still only two flights up. But this does not deal with the immediate needs of those that live along Utica Ave. Building an extension of the IRT could be opened long before the section through northern Brooklyn and would have immediate benefits by serving more riders with direct service rather than requiring transferring. Contents 1 History 2 Station layout 2.1 Unfinished station 2.2 Exits Unusually, there are two mezzanine levels; the upper mezzanine level was closed off after a 1995 renovation, and the lower mezzanine level is actually the platform level of the unbuilt Utica Avenue line. Despite its name, this station has no exit to the corner of Utica Avenue and Eastern Parkway. I just noticed not just the rough formatting and typos but Id accidentally truncated my handle to H. And I though drafting it offline would reduce mistakes! Bubble the reworking there to the top of the list and once done it can do 12 B Div. Click to email a link to a friend (Opens in new window), Click to share on Facebook (Opens in new window), Click to share on Reddit (Opens in new window), The Future of the Green Line: From Harvard and Needham to the Seaport, Unbuilt Highways of New York City and Robert Moses. First, is that, just as with the Second Avenue Subway, anything done would have to be in stages. There is an active tower at the south end of the platform while a closed one exists on the east of the lower level. Less light-blocking like 5 but vertical. The full-time side at the eastern (railroad south) end has two staircases from each platform going up to a crossover (the western ones go up to a ramp that leads to the main fare control area), where a turnstile bank and two exit-only turnstiles provide access to and from the station. I would have to strongly object to abandoning Phase IV; that still leaves the entire SAS and Sixth Av LES stations without a direct connection to downtown (and thus fails the objective of relieving the Lex), leaves Water St underserved despite heavy employment density, and subjects SAS to the whims of the DeKalb interlocking. I also dont believe in using provisions for the sake of using provisions; S 4 St (the actual street parallel to Broadway) was never fully completed, so building a subway using that old path would be wildly expensive. This station has two fare control areas, one at either end. Construction commenced on Contract 2 on March 4, 1903. Extensions of the IRT subway east or south of the station have been proposed since the line's planning in the 1910s, which included terminating the line at Buffalo Avenue just east of the station, or extending the line down Utica Avenue towards Flatbush Avenue and Avenue U near Kings Plaza. Its smarter to do a IRT Utica line because the demand for a Utica Av Line is not in Bed-Stuy and Williamsburg, but in East Flatbush, Flatlands, and Mill Basin. Late nights a shuttle will run from Franklin Av to New Lots Av. Granted it eventually meets up with all nine of those services, just not in the big pile-up. Climbing the steps to the intermediate level, there are locked doors that serve as access to the unfinished platforms. Or just stay on your train. tph, equal to 16 A Div. It looks to be about two miles long. 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Checking schedules for the A and C tells me that they max out at 17, leaving 9 slots for Utica St. service. This leaves the possibility of resurrecting the Worth St Line, a branch off the 8th Ave local that would split south of Canal St and head east via Worth St and East Broadway. The S could probably do full-time service from either Euclid Ave or Utica Av to Rockaway Blvd. Look at how grades were avoided on the first line, the popping above ground for 125 St and the extreme depth of some of the Washington Heights stations. The 8th Ave Subway was designed to replace the 9th Ave El, the 6th Ave and 2nd Ave Subways to replace elevateds running above their avenues. Finnaly, the IRT Utica Av doesnt have the provisions for having a IND Utica Av, so either one of two plans will have to happen: 1- Build a Eastern Pkwy Station under the 3/4 and have a steep incline back up to Empire Blvd so it can be able to portal out wherever (originally I thought it was going to portal out at Empire Blvd but I guess im wrong). These technological limitations were shortly overcome and the only IRT line that doesnt use part of this original line is the 7 which is limited by the Steinway Tunnel. The MTA has only been making these small extensions, the last major one (affected more than 3 lines) was in 1967-1968, which changed the BB, T, TT, D, F, JJ, M, MM, and the QT, and added the QJ, B, and KK. I do like the general arc of this post, although there is one bit I find a bit questionable; > Looking at a modern take on IND plan, since the Chrystie St Connection rerouted the 6th Ave express trains over the Manhattan Bridge and the extra local service to Williamsburg, there is no extra capacity along 6th Ave to connect with the new line. Subway, local and express station, ADA accessible. MTA. Between Fulton St and Empire Blvd, Utica Av is a two lane street, past Empire its a four lane street. South of Kings Highway would be stations at Flatlands Ave, Ave N and after the line turns down Flatbush Ave, at Ave U-Kings Plaza. Members hailed the decision to save the station, and were encouraged by the public response to the Adirondack operation, despite its ultimate bankruptcy. This is the level of transit that buses provide for a fraction of the cost. [18], On November 22, 1920, the first portion of the IRT New Lots Line opened between Utica Avenue and Junius Street opened on November 22, 1920, with shuttle trains operating over this route. [12], There are four stair entrances, all on Fulton Street:[13]. Then a tunnel would have to be built from Fulton to Eastern Pkwy, where the tunnel would have to be built directly under the 3/4, then a steep incline from Eastern Pkwy to Empire Blvd, so a portal could be built for the elevated line to Kings Plaza. Youve recognized its unused capacity and proposed filling it by connection to Jamaica Ave.; a Utica Ave. branch could work as well.. and weekends the 5 doesnt go to Brooklyn. [9] Above is a disused portion of a mezzanine and an unfinished upper level station. Both Fulton/8th Ave. and Eastern Pkwy/Broadway 7th routes hit up with all three major employment destinations. If the C leaves, the A becomes even more crowded/congested. 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