Pictured is a 4mm; excellent bore, 5'' barrel insert for Luger pistols chambered in .30 Luger (7.65mm Parabellum) with loading tool; view 1, view 2, view 3. The weirdest part is the stamp on the inside back panel. My question, please forive if its too absurd, is" Why weren't the Riff Contract pistols ordered from the Simson Co.?" Receiver proof, some reworked 1920 Police and Military Lugers 32. Pictured is a similar aftermarket P08 and police stick-wing acceptance stamped muzzle protector disassembled. A 108 is found in the upper right backside corner, what could be considered a Police serial marking? Hesse, Saxony, and others. This book contains English translations of the actual regulations issued WWI). that the item was issued to. Military Control Commission), was established to enforce the provisions of Schutzpolizei (municipal police), Police links[8]='http://www.johnsonreferencebooks.com'; S.B.13.435 - Berlin unit 13 - Pistole s/n 9140e. The added belt loops are based on two other, more extensively converted artillery to police holsters discussed below. On the grip strap there are the markings L.Me.284. Apparently, there are other, period German Police Luger wooden box cleaning kits, another example being REINIGUNGSGERTFR PISTOLE = POLIZEI BADEN = although it is not clear as to the date of manufacture is pre or post 1945 as the state of Baden existed prior to 1945 and it wasnt until 1946 that the state of Wurternberg-Baden was formed. The reassignment of 9754r to the Weimar navy explains the removal of the Sear Safety and the Magazine Safety. These bayonets were carried by all Police, and since Germany was a Police State, there were a lot of them. They appear to fall into two categories: P08s that always were P08s and P08s that were formerly unmarked Landjgerei LP08s (many 1918 DWM LP08s) that were reworked by the PTV in 1929-30 and reissued as P08s to the Landjgerei and other police. Est price: $3,750 $5,500. Pictured is one such P08 police grip strap example, compared against variation 1 muzzle protector 2866, where no additional marks were added. They're not Nazi at all, just Imperial German. The subject pictured, aftermarket LOB Mndungsschoner or muzzle protector, stamped on the flat with P08 and a stick wing Nazi proof is a different variation from the ERMA stamped muzzle protector pictured on page 174, Figure 28b of Third Reich Lugers. A very similar style of eagle can be found on Gewehr 98 rifles. All of the blank toggle guns are reported as Police guns. Tom answers that question and gives a detailed . As to whether any police Lugers were used in caliber 7.65 mm is uncertain, however, one example pictured in Luger Variations by Harry Jones 1959, page 291 titled: 1920 POLICE WITH CHAMBER MARKINGS with the claim that during police service the Sear Safety Luger was chambered for the 7.65 m/m cartridge. These considerations must form the basis for the training of the police officer. Still 1993, page 174, Figure 45a, the below pictured holster is an LOB example of the first style, first pattern, pre 1925 new manufacture Weimar era, unmarked police holster. Simson proofs. Regarding the use of the police cleaning rod in the field it can be used without the barrel affixed Mndungsschoner or muzzle protector. administrative district, Enumeration of centuria, or factory numbers, or property numbers, Berlin The lack of a holster maker on the rear, between the belt loops is not unusual considering its WW1 Imperial army origins, however, there is also no evidence of a maker mark under the cover flap. it was made without a loading tool pouch under the cover flap and the cover flap lacks a keeper for the holster body attached closing strap. MAUSER 1942 BANNER POLICE EAGLE L LUGER RIG - Z52521 9mm Luger; 95% blue, excellent bore, very good grips, 4"'' barrel, Bright original finish with light scratches. Translated cover of The Police Pistols, Dresden manual. Lot 0478, Jan 14, 2023. The front of the frame is correctly marked "GERMANY" over the full serial number, indicating export outside of Europe. The word itself 'HIPO' is a shortening in German of HIlfs-POlizei (i.e. Hard to find historic variation. Mauser or the Police HQ in Berlin? a 4-digit 1108 believed to be a Police P.08 serial number. But there is a very great difference: Gestapo was German, working in enemy-country. Even though considerably outnumbered, the Riff inflicted nearly six times the number of casualties on the Spanish and French than they suffered. Kriminalpolizei (detective force), Assigned to luger1. 1918 Dingeldey & Werres-Berlin cut-back artillery to police holster, Luger holstered s/n 5008. Ulle diese Reuregelungen sind bei der Bearbeitung der zweiten Uuslage berudschtigt worden und haben in einigen Ubschnitten umsangreiche Uenderungen notwendig gemacht. N.b.5. of Stettin. Pictured is another variation 1 style police S. B. Pictured is a 1915 dated P. Braunleder Cln The lack of relevant textbooks has often been put to the test. Buy Very Rare 1941 BYF41 Luger Army- Police P08 Mauser German Pistol 9mm P38: GunBroker is the largest seller of Curios & Relics Collectible Firearms All: 966966512 History Writ in Steel 2009 by L. Donald Maus in Chapter 9, on page 139 the author states: The markings from the Hannover district are some of the most confusing Ive seen. For more detailed information on the 1946 Dresden Police manual. Zone railway police used an earlier, relatively obscure 7.65 m/m caliber, FN Model 1922 pistol. - Kommando Nuernberg-Fuerth, berittene Abteilung, gun 5, W.K.S.5. Pistols and Holsters. included provisions for two spare magazines, cleaning rod, box of period ammunition and a loading tool. A single example exists of an extremely rare 1943 dated variation, made of impregnated pressed paper and is pictured in TPLAP, V3, page 1245 Fig. (non-P08) Pistols & Holsters. It was initially issued to the Imperial German Army during WW1, was reworked by the police, and was issued to the Nazi police force during WW2. Walsworth Publishing Co., Marceline, MO 64658 USA.]. The bayonets are interesting, as most were produced during the 1920s during the Weimar period. Serial number stamped on the back corner 9436. 351 pages. It worked through various P.08 police Luger pistol, serial number 9140e is stamped on the back as well. Included with the lot is a black leather flap holster (converted from Artillery to Police configuration, renumbered to match pistol, extensive hand . It cites 1644 of the 49th centuria within II command, Dusseldorf (S.D. new style of police holster was introduced without a holster spine attached cleaning rod sleeve, replacing it with a spare magazine pouch. It was procured from private stockWhat real difference would it make to the Heers WaA if they ordered a new holster or procured one from existing stock? Any advise would be greatly appreciated. The author, using the word reportedly, twice in the caption, suggests or implies that he is skeptical or not convinced that the ERMA pictured muzzle protector was used as described. 19-105, formally of the Dr. G.L. links[5]='http://www.wwiidaggers.com'; It is curious that the subject converted LP.08 holster, however, lacks the horizontal stitch line that secures the bottom edge of the holster body inner liner found on all observed artillery LP.08 holsters, original and converted. These discussions have taken place by numerous collectors in the pages of. 1933-1945: Mauser Lugers. This is an apolitical forum for discussions on the Axis nations and related topics hosted by the Axis History Factbook in cooperation with Christian Ankerstjernes Panzerworld and Christoph Awender's WW2 day by day. 1. ad[4]='http://www.germandaggers.com/banners/oldbrigade.jpg'; institute for technology and transport. Estimated Price: $ 5,500 - $ 7,500 Price Realized: Details Scarce German 1936, Dated S/42 Code Police Luger Semi-Automatic Pistol Rig with Two Matching Magazines and 1936 Dated Holster Manufacturer: Mauser Model: P08 Type: Pistol Gauge: 9 mm Luger Barrel: 3 7/8 inch round Finish: blue Grip: walnut checkered Stock: Item Views: 9264 3 5 in Book II, Police Chief Baetsch, Ministry of the Interior, kindly supported me, for which I would like to express my warmest thanks to him. Edward Tinker - Co-Author of Police Lugers & Simson Lugers - Veteran Bring Backs Vol 1-4. yes sir it the sear and magazine safety installed. by Igorak89 06 May 2016, 12:14, Post Brown would be rural. Many of its members (for example May the second application of every police officer continue to be a good leader in the difficult area of police action. Pictured for comparison are examples 1 and 2. is a disassembled view of the subject aftermarket P08 marked and police stick wing acceptance stamped, variation. The results cause us collectors no end of confusion, 78 years later. state of Bavaria had the small arms issued to its members of the This is one heck of an obscure way to do it! If the blank toggles are related to the Riff contract, they would have been manufactured in or before 1926. It is possible the second conversion was even later, around the start of WW2, and if true would Any attempt to insert or force the Police cleaning rod with brass stopper past the brass stud would damage, either the rather stiff, added inflexible cleaning rod upper leather pouch section, the holster body or the actual cleaning rod. Pictured is a German manufactured commercial holster, original pistol model unknown, converted to accept a P.08 Luger pistol by modifying the holster body entrance. The first modification was from an artillery holster to a police holster in the early to mid-1920s by cutting back to a P.08, 4-inch barrel length and is the first example not to add a toe plug, but instead by closing out or terminating the holster body toe like a standard P.08 holster. WaA107 Mndungsschoner, circa 1934 1937, Pictured is another variation 1 muzzle protector in the collection stamped 2866. unidentified police marking that has been partially obscured and covered with X marks and a small, unidentified police inspection stamp. The subject holster is the third such holster identified. It has no maker mark nor datePresumably a commercial. While lacking a rear horizontal stitch line, the holster body cavity rear panel is secured at the lower edge by the lower belt loop stitching. Pictured is a brown leather example with regulation holster body attached holster body spare magazine pouch with up-strap and cover flap keeper slit and steel stud closure. Vorfchrift fr die Waffen= und Schieausbildung der Ordnnungspistolen. Police Luger ? Only two are identified in publications and only partial pictures. The Additionally, it seems incongruous that a 1920s post WW1 manufacture brass stud was added or replaced when clearly period correct brass studs were available as attested by the added brass stud, while the apparent goal was to modify the cleaning rod pouch/sleeve and cover flap to accommodate a Police cleaning rod as the lower replaced brass stud would clearly interfere with the insertion of a Police cleaning rod. This Luger has all matching numbers. Come join the discussion about the history, technology and extraordinary background associated with these design masterpieces. a 1920s chamber stamped commercial P.08 Luger, The third is a late 1920s sear bar and magazine safety, German acceptance stamped E/WaA66 Police Luger s/n 4559t. ad[1]='http://www.germandaggers.com/banners/Cash1.jpg'; Decoding these proof marks is very useful in determining the age and history of the gun. 19-216). 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