:o). This just breaks my heart. It is another part of the christian industrial complex, we are expected to trust everyone working in the system. Like barbarians, the most vulnerable are just collateral damage to them while protecting institutions and titles. Look for a saner, healthier, place. Normal people do not have a hypnotic affect. I dont understand why Christian organizations feel that they have to reinvent the wheel or use Christian versions of products. NO what was done was painstakingly planned, patiently executed, and is ugly and disturbing beyond belief. '", They talked regularly for nine years, Hoffpauir said, from 2012 until September of 2021. It is my hope that Kanakuk be successfully sued for their lack of diligence with the lives of children. And this inappropriate behavior didnt raise any red flags for them? I dont understand why Christian organizations feel that they have to reinvent the wheel or use Christian versions of products. In light of all of that, Id rather have a church implement some sort of sexual abuse prevention program to mitigate the risk to children, than for a family to have to endure an uncertain legal process to seek justice for a violated child. PS I guess he wouldnt have clientel to train and make a salary from if he had a reputation for suing on behalf of victims. When outsiders have to tell Christian leaders what is right and what is wrong, perhaps they are not Christian leaders . Also, here is the little description: I do not believe that the solution to our problem is simply to elect the right people. If we question, then we are labeled not trusting and that is one of the deadly sins. Dygert said he met Newman in a Branson public school lunchroom. Branson, Missouri. There is a time and place for that of course, and we have other systems that are punitive, like a license board investigation for instance. Plagiarized material for his book. Quite possibly. So you need both. ", Dygert added that his mother thought "she was upfront with Pete and protective, and she thought that's why nothing had ever happened to me. They were told to sign or resign, and many had the integrity to resign. nwhiker But Im still a bit traumatized by the tour of his office, which had all manner of animal trophies. Gradually, they connected with others who identify as survivors. I suppose that assumes that they were. tee hee. I could rant more, but I am just singing to choir with you all.. retaining a person on staff who is a child predator and actually has been arrested for that is bad PR! I suspect pastor was either bragging or indulging his sexual fantasies in a Respectable form. Was it okay because there was adult supervision, and they were all boys together? In all other cases where a church isnt involved, he has no problem suing. This. Both programs stressed that we would be in legal trouble if we had information and did not report it to the authorities. I dont get how anyone could with a shred of decency or understand of morality could think its okay to keep this man on the staff. If the problem is one of systems, then a non-punitive approach may be the best way to prevent problems in the future. Camp officials reportedly rub elbows with powerful people, and have done so for a long time: In "Pure Excitement," a "righteous" guide to sex, love and dating for teenagers first published in 1996 by camp owner Joe White, White tells ofhis friendship with "an heir to the Coors brewery throne," Shane Coors. I, for one, am hoping things have changed. The connection is so deep, and that loyalty is so strong, that you'll essentially kind of do whatever to keep that relationship. Additionally, Joe has started several ministries includingKids Across America, a sports camp for underprivileged kids,Kanakuk Haiti,Men At The Cross,Pure Excitement, andAfter Dark. Colleges are often very bad in dealing with rape, too. And yet these false teachers would try to claim that the victims later problems are to be blamed on bitterness and unwillingness to forgive. When do Highborn ever think about the damage to those Lowborn? no big deal!?!? We have to ask where did people learn to be such lemmings after all they are in a place where they are paying for a service, right? (Not trying to be stifling or silencing of truth or established fact, but if its not truth, its not a good thing to leave hanging out there.). "That ministry" Kanakuk "should have caught on.". Typo in Mireles name. Bryan Loritts is the brother-in-law of accused voyeur Rick Trotter. We were both students there and socialized in the same circles. They will, however, mediate. . Judge Orr retired to his chambers to decide Newman's fate for a little over 40 minutes, when he came back and delivered the verdicts it seemed that both side were a little stunned. Its not inside the church, but its only a few feet from the churchs parking lot, front walk, etc. But how does God meet with them there when He has said Be still, and know that I am God ? And including a former President. And they vouched for Pete. I do t think this is just a Neo Cal problem. Sorry about that, friend. I havent heard any more about it. On that first night of abuse, Dygert said Newman told him, "'This would be one of the best bonding things we could do.' I feel sad for them. Birds of a feather flock together. So it kind of depends on what the issue is which type of investigation is required. Any church leader who takes part in bringing paedophilia into the Church needs to be got out of ministry and kept out of ministry. After the formal Eucharist the unused wine can either be consumed by the priest and the lay eucharistic ministers or else it can be poured down a special drain directly into the earth, the idea being that consecrated wine is the blood of Christ and he already poured out his blood on the ground at calvary. Our church is in an area that has a large proportion of Pentecostals. -Newman had one-on-one Bible studies with boys in his hot tub. More:Kanakuk issues new statement on camp child sex abuse; survivor calls it 'disgusting'. They honestly believe the leaders have the answers. Schools and other public agencies used this training material as well. What is profitable for the body of Christ is truth. ", Newman's call came in 13 years ago, butHoffpauir said he remembers thatwhen the phone rang, he was in bed watching TV with his wife, Madison. I grew up just the other side of the Missouri state line over into Kansas, about two hours away from Branson; I always thought Branson was a huge deal, nationally and internationally-known. Yeah, Jesus did say that. However, many Christians tend to view anything secular through a culture war lens. Nothing happened to you?' Half of his childhood!! Hm. That is a culture of thought reform. but how does God doesnt meet with them there when He has said, Please do not anybody make this about anything other than what I actually said. Now THATS a Baptist college to be proud of! My paraphrase: Oh, it was just some kids they hardly count, hardly matter, I do think you are drawing the wrong conclusion here. Adding, "I have never seen consecutive life sentences in all my years of practice. Perhaps Im just used to Christian lawyers who dont offer some services based on their convictions. Here is my bottom line for all churches and parachurches: Churches and Ministries: stop making your uninformedchurch members and attendees the guinea pigs foryour gospel experiments withpedophilesand voyeurs. To say his affect was hypnotic, would be an understatement. ", Kanakuk alsosaid it developed a "comprehensive Child Protection Plan" because of the "tragedy.". It really goes to a persons head and I think makes them more inclined to ignore problems that come up or advice that conflicts with what they want to do. This is apples and oranges. And the bible does not have answers to every single question or conflict that comes ones way, obviously. Its not just the few bad guys getting outed. Two years after the Newman case blew up in the media, Newman was sent to prison and Kanakuk finally introduced a "Child Protection Plan"the first time in the camp's long history that procedure and policy surrounding sexual assault was put into writing. Not a place that showed him perversion. Can you point me to Friedmans writings in which he talks about doing the right thing? The blogger eventually landed in DC working for a senator. 1 priority. Quick off-topic comment to Nancy2 and future campers at Camp Backbone in Kentucky. punitive Except it sounds like nobody talked about it??? What I said has nothing to do with a building; we are not Jews at a temple in Jerusalem. https://wonderingeagle.wordpress.com/2016/08/31/sandy-willson-of-second-presbyterian-memphis-is-allegedly-notified-in-november-2011-that-a-sexual-predator-was-on-staff-at-downtown-presbyterian-church/#more-7415 My daughter did a several hour training module to work for the YMCA. The family of a Texas boy who was sexually abused by former Kanakuk camp director Pete Newman has asked a federal court judge to issue an injunction and/or a restraining order against Kanakuk and its CEO Joe White. This book by Shannon Harris is scheduled to be released in August, about one year later than initially planned. Dygert said, "We know people who've never told anyone. Newman continued his heinous activities and was finallyarrested in 2010. There is a lot of mega ego involved. Where you cannot be assured of decent people, you have to make it profitable for them to do the right thing and painful for them to do the wrong thing. I find this response on the part of Kanakukreprehensible! And we had nothing to do with children. No amount of investigating will change the heart problem that is at the root of this! Maybe they see skinny dipping as good, clean fun and not abuse. Btw: I never heard sola scriptura and the other solas except in the Reformed world. . ", He added that the children of Kanakuk managers had, and have, a major role in the community's social life: "They were popular. :o). Satan is powerful to produce every kind of vice, greed and scandal in those who are deceived. He had to practice church discipline on a 35 year member Dr. Nan Hawkes and drive her from the congregation. It is led by false teachers and false prophets (or profits.) Life is a minefield. Dave, did you know that Dr. Hawkes is a neuropsychologist? It is too hard, period. Charles L. Bailey Jr., In the Shadow of the Cross link. Bridget wrote: Well in a word yeah. Even though our old church considered the NIV the devils work, I like the way its translators put it: But among you there must not be even a hint of sexual immorality, or of any kind of impurity, or of greed, because these are improper for Gods holy people. Craig Heidemann, attorney for the plaintiffs, dubbed John Doe XII and John Doe XIII in court filings, declined to comment on the lawsuits during a brief interviewMonday. CPS would be called in case the perpetrator was a family member and there were other children in the home. CEO and Board Chair, and his wife Debbie-Jo, Vice President, who inherited their roles from Joe's parents in the 1970s. (She dis not realize the seminary trained youth leaders do not think she knows the true gospel .which explained a lot) She was surprised at how many parents just went along. There have been some problems with this in the business world as well. Bernie Madoff was described as very warm and charming. The most ruinous con men are the most ingratiating, an unfriendly swindler wont get very far. Curious, and from the tone of your comment, it doesnt sound like the same thing as a closed table where only members of that particular church are welcome to take communion. We will never stop being sorry for the pain inflicted on victims and their families. "We took off," Hoffpauir said, referencing himself and his wife, Madison. There are very few things/people above criticism in my world. What I came to see (up close and personal) is that they have convinced themselves (due to their success in their little kingdoms) that their ministry/message is blessed by God and nothing can be allowed to stain that. But That one is more wholesome than the Milgram experiment! The worst kind of SIN with very severely injured victims left in its wake. The letter-writers called Kanakuk's reporteduse of NDAs one of many "intimidation tactics" thecamp uses to stifle allegations of sexual assault and protect its reputation. Any victim can reach out to Kanakuk by emailing us at victimsupport@kanakuk.com or access several independent victim advocacy organizations such as ChildHelp.org or Rainn.org, which can provide access to local support services, reporting assistance, and educational resources. Kanakuk camp 'abuse survivors' call for independent investigation into sexual assault accusations, that were reportedly flagged for Kanakuk leaders in 1999, 2000, 2001, 2003 and 2006, recently issued an open letter to Kanakuk and its owner, Kanakuk issues new statement on camp child sex abuse; survivor calls it 'disgusting', were first published last year by The Dispatch, Your California Privacy Rights / Privacy Policy. It is nothing new, it has been around since the early days of the first church. And if that tolerance is not a clue to how it can be that knowing someone is a predator or likely is a predator is trumped by a bond stronger than honor or common sense. I work in a Christian preschool and just sat through Ministry Safe ( required by the church) and a state mandated sexual abuse recognition workshop. We use cookies to ensure that we give you the best experience on our website. Why isnt this the case where such things have been found to go on so long with so many in positions of leadership knowing? these are institutional culture problems. Many will say to Me on that day, didnt we run Christian camps in your name, and publish books in your Name, and promote purity of doctrine and gender roles in your Name? but I wonder what a person does when their take on the Scriptures differs from what leadership tells them it means? How are people supposed to live believing they cannot trust themselves on basic things like this? If I had young children and theyd been to any Christian activities, I would be paranoid. :o), Similar story: The newspaper is now being sued by UK, under the claim that, in order to protect the victims, the facts should not be made public. I was just thinking that a whole lot of ideas have made their way into the churches through para-church organizations. Fast forward. Some of your stories are what first clued me in. @ Christiane: Peoples faith journeys take them to some strange places sometimes, but I think folks know when they eventually find a community where they are able to pray in peace. @ Christiane: Ive referred to these religious leaders in the past as modern day Pharisees, that no longer works. They tend to be very unrealistic about people. Colleges are often very bad in dealing with rape, too. He would bring me along to sporting events. (I have repented!) I cried. Normal people do not have a hypnotic affect, they do not seem to be the pinnacle of what a Christian should be. Reporters working for the Springfield. I wish to thank again all of those who have websites and our choosing to shed light on these church scandals. 2023 www.news-leader.com. I love that. Its just not worth the risk. if NOT, I have to ask what IS the deal??? Why do people keep supporting such places? What I am saying is that if we make it to their benefit or not to the detriment (carrot and stick) for the average church to do the right thing, we will protect more people from being victims. Oh boy, do they listen! -This post is focusing on Peter Newman due to his relationship with Fellowship Memphis. Its getting so hard to hold on to faith. And it was perfectly legal. I just got a tweet that a company makesCamo ice cream. Wishful pontificating? It is still hard for me to wrap my head around the idea that he is capable of the heinous acts that he committed, and would do that kind of damage to these boys. (I have been but not since I was a kid, and we went for silver dollar city-which is an amusement park). It welcomes tens of thousands of campers to five overnight "kamps" each summer more than 500,000 to date, Kanakuk says. Well, whenever a new couple with kids joined the church, the Respectable Church Ladies would steer them to the pedo so hed molest the noobs kids, not theirs. Just called camp kanuk the secretary stated it was 10 years ago and seemed to downplay the fact that it was 10 years ago. Semi relevant, I was reading something the other day about dating sites and a lady said that narcissists use the free sites in part because they have some sort of quizzes they can study before coming after their prey. The baptist church of my earliest years had a quote from the bible carved over the doors between the vestibule/narthex and the church/nave. Maintaining relationships inside the neo-cal industrial complex is key. Dave, did you know that Dr. Hawkes is a neuropsychologist? Now if I could just find one that preaches Jesus and Him Risen I just might be persuaded to meet up with em, Now if I could just find one that preaches Jesus and Him Risen I just might be persuaded to meet up with em. So did the Apostle Paul. Sometimes I wonder if pedophilia is just side entertainment to those whose real core being is deception and the pursuit of power. Huh? The lawyer filed it in federal court in a different city (so I was told) because too many local authorities and officials think this church is Gods gift to the community. Can you point me to Friedmans writings in which he talks about doing the right thing? Ted Cruz, and now 3. And this rule, coupled with some others seemed to send a message they wanted to isolate the kids. Prior to this, no one on Kanakuk staff believed that Pete Newman was abusing or had abused kids. from the victims stories, I think what you are saying has credibility, yes. But sola scriptura does not include anything but scripture, including not tradition or reason. Be still and know that I am God? Mohlers boys in appointed positions accused a Baptist college here as going liberal. There is never a real sincere moment even when they seem so sincere. Yet fruit has nothing to do with it? We should never forget that we live in the middle of a spiritual war where there are no cease fires. Our old church used the let it not even be named among you version and the cynical part of me is thinking that these so-called leaders are following the letter of that law, and definitely not the spirit. I suppose that is the effect that Mohlers Calvinism (TULIP) has on his thinking (Total Depravity) ??? Its about the money and reputation in his little Christian circle . I dont see that as a problem per se. I very much appreciate what Brian has said because I think he speaks for a lot of young staffers who believed in Petes character and his testimony and were heartbroken at a deep level when they learned that Pete had betrayed so many. It is obvious that the judge realized the extent of Newman's crimes by the unusual length of the sentence. So he would sayyou could do things like sing a worship song while you're masturbating, or you could quote Scripture while masturbating, or you could just not think of women. But yes, it is all a lie. June 2009: Newman producesa written confession of his crimes. so much pressure to look happy, cheerful, smiley, friendly where a zero-tolerance policy is concerned, my observation is that it is in the realm of relational tension. Some of you may have heard about Joe White who has spoken at conferences such a Promise Keepers, etc. Thats why they have to take over churches instead of planting new ones. I cried reading this. The victims dont. Published: Nov. 18, 2022 at 1:49 PM PST. I have yet to hear anyone else lay out how inadequate most churchs policies are for protecting kids, and why. Pete Newman's Apology. I say all of this, not to excuse those that turned a blind eye, but to provide some shading to what is easily drawn as a black and white picture several years later. ******************** even with his sin he is still 10 times the person any of you will be. 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