Youve got parameters but you dont really know because in the end that is obviously in the gift of the judge. Its that judgement thing again, you know. And what I understood quite quickly is that theres two routes to violence in prison. Ex News International chief executive Brooks, former Sun . They used to say about the News of the World, the old marketing slogan for the News of the World was all human life is here and thats true of Dickens. [42] Coulson has denied these latest claims. I saw him at the beginning of the year. Getty Images offers exclusive rights-ready and premium royalty-free analog, HD, and 4K video of the highest quality. Andy: Yeah, always. [49], The Guardian reported on 7 July 2011 that Coulson was to be arrested the following day, along with a senior journalist whom the paper refused to name. Theres a door that youre going to go through. Lots of people were sending me books and I wasnt allowed to have them because they were, I thought rather ridiculously, banned at that stage by a former colleague of mine, Chris Grayling. So, Harvey, Monty, Finn. And that is not a good moment. Search instead in Creative? In 2001, in the run up to the general election, he asked Tony and Cherie Blair whether they were members of the mile high club. [28], Coulson announced his resignation on 21 January 2011. And its going to be Groundhog Day and actually the consequences of that trial could be even worse in Scotland and then a whole load of politics attached to that and theres a whole load of new agendas. Simple as that, and theres a lot of that that goes on. What was that like? People treated us with respect and we did the same. Andy: I have, yeah, and weve had that discussion. A high-profile scandal which unravelled his life and led to a spell in prison. Revelation: Rebekah Brooks and Andy Coulson (left, in September 2004) were having a secret affair for at least six years, the Old Bailey heard. Youd get out for an hour and then youd be back in again and youd do anther 23 hours and it was boiling. The judge actually criticised the timing of the statement and said he was unsure whether it was out of ignorance or deliberate. Andy: I think I would, to be honest, yeah, because Im just not outraged enough by much any more. [21], Coulson resigned on 26 January 2007 over the News of the World phone hacking affair which would several weeks later see the jailing for four months of the paper's Royal correspondent Clive Goodman. The court felt that they could deal with it so thats where that ended. And I took the view that this is what it is and it is just another place, a pretty unpleasant one, but its just another place. We are all hard workers. And I totally accept that and I am very sorry for it. I just think people deal with things in different ways. At that stage there was a book ban in prisons, so no chance of getting any books at all. I ran it as a campaign in my head and I had charts on the wall, at one stage the house was literally full of files. Jane: You are just talking there about your absolute love of that job at Downing Street. Rebekah Brooks, No 10'S former spin doctor Andy Coulson and three others appeared at Westminster Magistrates' Court today. On 7 July 2009, John Prescott called on leader of the Conservative Party David Cameron to remove Coulson from his position, after The Guardian revealed further details about phone-hacking by the News of the World. [4][5] The overall impact from his tenure came to be known as the "Coulson effect". Theres a lot of kind of, Ill help you out here and you help me, and I knew I wasnt going to engage in any of that. I felt it was a bit on the steep side but it was within the parameters, so its up to the judge, the sentencing in technical terms. Very hard to get it down to 10 songs, let alone get it down to one, but I think if I had to choose one it would be Keep Your Head Up by Ben Howard, which is a bit of a family anthem. All I know is that when I took the job, actually, I said to him, Im taking this job, David, on the basis that I will not go into Downing Street because that was the deal Id done with Eloise. Andy: You have to sit there on your own while the rest of your fellow inmates are with their families. I didnt know what was going to happen and I didnt know what I was going to find. How do you view it? Again, that came out in a previous podcast, I think with Jeremy. He attended Beauchamps High School, a secondary school and sixth form college, from 1979 to 1986. And I can tell you, having done both, they are very, very different experiences. [15] Other defendants were cleared. You try and work out what you can take into prison and what you cant. He subsequently joined David Cameron's personnel as communications director, until announcing his departure on 21 January 2011 because of continued media coverage of the phone-hacking affair. Andy: Well I just think for anyone, him or anyone, me included, trying to live life through the rear-view mirror is an utterly pointless exercise, so I dont know. So even though Id spent eight and a half months in the Old Bailey in a trial, knowing that that was a possibility, sat in a dock for the large part, theres a padded green door on your left that you know goes to the cells and theres the exit on the right, although Id spent all that time wondering am I going to go left or right, when you hear the word guilty you know full well that youre going to be going left. Andy: Well Belmarsh was going through a pretty dysfunctional phase at that stage. A thoroughly depressing experience, with barbed wire around you and over you, actually, to stop helicopters coming in. And I was able, very quickly totally different approach, totally different kind of attitude, the governor there, his view was, weve got you for a while and were going to make the most of it. Its an unnatural thing to do to relive your life and, by the way, if all you are doing is reliving your life through a negative prism, its a fundamentally unhealthy thing to do. And that is, I have to say, largely thanks to Eloise because shes, maybe well get on to it, the reason I got through is her. I think it is partly chemistry and I think its partly experience and I have got a lot of crisis experience from a professional point of view. But I never, at any point, felt that I was being treated worse than anyone else. Dublin. And that just didnt happen. So, I spot the signs and I know what to do and I know how to kind of avoid it. So when I was taken from the cell, youre then handcuffed and you line up and you wait to get on the bus. Do you sort of feel, oddly, that all that crisis brought you closer together? Jane: Do you feel a need to keep on apologising? I cant say I succeeded in that regard, but that was certainly the instinctive approach that I took to it. So, wed had lots of conversations but then, yes, we had to have a conversation about what it meant. As a result we spent inordinate amounts of time just sat behind a door. Andy: Absolutely, yeah. Andy: Well, I think because of the podcast series. And my parents are grafters, that was always very clear. Jane: As you say, its high security for a reason, because there are some pretty serious criminals in there. And Ive got to be honest with you, it was actually really interesting and quite rewarding work. When you saw very young men like that in prison, now that your own boys are reaching past adulthood, did you, sort of, connect with them? And I tried to make the best of it. Andy: Well I will always argue that the mistakes were not criminal, because thats what I spent a lot of time standing in a witness box arguing and because its what I believe. I just wish that it hadnt happened. I was told, because there was a view that the Scottish case, because it was such a nonsense, would be dropped. [38] In March 2017, Coulson Chappell was awarded a contract by the Telegraph Media Group (TMG) to improve the standing of the company's publications, The Daily Telegraph and The Sunday Telegraph. Which do you think it was? Early life. What happened, happened. Gregg was born April 2, 1962, in Boston, Massachusetts, the son of Mary Layne (ne Shine) and Robert Clark Gregg Sr., an Episcopal priest and Stanford University professor. I think that we are all stronger for it. We worked together for a long time. Im undoubtedly happier. Ask away. The source alleged that Coulson had personally listened to messages obtained through phone hacking. Andy: Oh, quite a lot. In 1988, he moved to The Sun, working with Piers Morgan on the showbiz column Bizarre. He hired Dominic Mohan, who was later promoted to editor. [43] Sean Hoare, showbusiness reporter at News of the World during Coulson's reign speaking on Five Live, who accused Coulson of lying, has said that indeed Coulson did not ask him to phone hack but veiled his request in "metaphorical language" and asked him to practise his "dark arts". And I could equally say, why on Earth did you do that, Andy? People were being genuinely kind to me. [6][7], Coulson was arrested by the Metropolitan Police Service on 8 July 2011 in connection with allegations of corruption and phone hacking. Why are you doing it now? Its a very long Victorian corridor full of very old Victorian cells in which there have been some very famous and very notorious criminals over the years. Coulson replaced Rebekah Wade as editor in 2003. In this first episode of the second series, Andy puts himself on the other side of the microphone and talks to journalist and broadcaster Jane Moore about his five-year crisis. Ive never been through what youve been through, but a lot of people when they have a day or whatever, you think about other people who are worse off than you. I think actually, given that I was a tabloid newspaper editor and a political communications director, I dont really think theres much of a moral high-horse for me to climb on if people want to form a view of me. Beginning the Entrepreneurial Journey. Funnily enough I am a bit of a blubberer, but its normally at something really sort of soft. And I managed to get there. I had plenty of offers and I just didnt. Does that tail occasionally whip round and hit you? Andy: Yeah, it is, it is hard. And we had a lot of fun, is the truth of it. Weve made a lot of cups of tea for journalists standing on the end of our drive over the years, quite happily. I am very sorry for the mistakes that I made at the News of the World. If resilience is genetic then I think Ive definitely benefitted in that regard. [39], As the Conservative Party's director of communications, Coulson continued to be subjected to allegations that he was aware of the hacking of phones while serving as the editor of News of the World. Thats basically where you spend yourself emotionally as an editor, in between those two things. Thats all nonsense. Andy: On the morning that I knew I was going to prison, I went to the back of my garden (I live out in the country), I went over the fence and into a field and then eventually I arranged for a local cab. So I actually had a little bit of time at home to be able to prepare, which I was very grateful for because that allowed me to talk to the kids and to talk to Eloise and get things sorted, get organised as best I could. Heres the full transcript: Jane: Im Jane Moore, a friend of Andys and for a number of years his colleague at The Sun. Youre a state-school-educated Essex lad. And I thought that was plain wrong and I was livid about it. Jane: OK, and finally you asked this of all your guests, the three crisis cures, if you like, and you know the rules; it cant be a person. [20], He became deputy editor of the News of the World, the Sunday sister paper of The Sun, in 2000. During that time Andy faced three criminal trials. Former News of the World editor Rebekah Brooks had an affair with former News of the World editor Andy Coulsonboth of whom are pasty, married to other people, and currently on trial for. I think it was wrong. Six former members of staff from the now defunct. And, in fact, the last words from one of those prison officers to me as I was about to get on the bus were, Keep your head down, youll get through it, life moves on. There are a lot of very bad people in there and there are also a lot of people like me who are transiting, if you like. It is a fact of my life and it is an upsetting fact of my life. I thought that was pretty unusual and unfair, but it happened so I had to deal with it. It was all part of that experience, it's what you have got to lean on and you change and you evolve and I definitely got to that point by the time I got to prison. [58], Coulson's trial over the phone-hacking claims started in October 2013. Coulson, who now runs a successful strategy business, talks candidly and honestly about his regrets, resilience and recovery. Andy Coulson, the former Downing Street Communications Director and News of the World editor, has given his first detailed interview about the scandal that ended, in 2014, with a spell in HMP Belmarsh. Andy: Well because Belmarsh is a high-security prison for a reason. Coulson edited one of. Because his family relocated frequently, he had lived in seven cities by the time he was 17. Thats how I sort of see it really and thats how I see life. Coulson is pictured leaving the court earlier. But Ive got some good techniques now. The purpose of the company is not recorded by Companies House, but is reportedly a public relations agency. No one knows in advance. So, they made me an education orderly and I went and worked with a brilliant woman who runs the education programme at Hollesley Bay and I was effectively her teaching assistant, if you like. [50], Coulson was arrested at Scotland Yard at 10:30am on 8 July 2011. Trusted, high impact counsel, campaigns and crisis management for leaders, from Andy Coulson, Jon Steafel, Susan Adams and team. Its constantly incoming and my job, in fact, was to manage those crises. [36] Kate Robertson of One Young World told the Guardian "He can't do One Young World work at the moment, that is absolutely clear". There are very, very few of them that I continue to feel any sort of disappointment about, because people have got their own lives and you see that very quickly. Andy Coulson, the British prime minister's former communications chief, has been arrested by detectives investigating allegations of phone hacking at the Sunday tabloid, the News of the World . But more that, my conviction is spent now, its gone. I know Harvey was, what, 14? You can be walking along the landing and someone walking the other way, for whatever reason, decides that the answer to their problem that day is to attack you. Five years that saw him fall from grace from Number 10 Downing Street to a cell in a high-security prison. And there are blokes there, for a whole range of reasons, who are trying to make sense of their lives again and who are disconnected from their families. So, what are yours? That was a good moment for us because we were then very clear that this was not about me becoming chums, this was about me being a professional advisor to him and him taking that advice seriously and the relationship on that basis went forward. And it is all about cues and nudges that push you in a certain direction and I just try and avoid those. Because then you know actually, its not just a matter of getting through this, Im into it all over again. Andy: Yeah, there was a report online, I think, that said that and it was complete nonsense, it didnt happen. I made my case but I obviously didnt succeed with the jury. And prison is the ultimate leveller. And keep the smile on my face and move myself and my family forward every day, which is exactly what we do, its exactly our attitude. Its an audit, right, when these things happen in your life. I use a guy who lives up in Scotland, Ron, who is just outstanding and I still talk to him from time to time now. Jane: Well, talking of which, as a journalist, we also know the picture that everybody wants is of somebody in the prison van being taken away. [25], Coulson became the Conservative Party's director of communications on 9 July 2007. I accepted the verdict in the end, or rather its consequences I accepted. Andy: Yeah, well Id had that for years by that stage and I think itd be grossly hypocritical for me to even begin to whinge about that, so I never had any issue with that at all. Jane: And they take all of your clothes away, I assume? You take some advice. Youve got, obviously, a lot of press outside your front door. Jane: And when they came to visit Belmarsh, because a lot of people listening to this will never have been to a Category A prison, even to visit, why is that your regret? On one level its fundamentally depressing to find yourself there. That moment when I spoke to my lawyers from prison. And suddenly youre sat in one of them. I think he had people advising him at that stage, obviously. In 2005 at the age of 16, Patrick Collison was the recipient of the 41 st Young Scientist of the Year for his work with Lisp. I had no complaint about it. What happens to you when you come there? Dont try and solve it all. Youve got to be either kind of 200% enthusiastic about something or youve got to be outraged. It turned out that all of my research and all the advice was entirely wrong and so a lot of the stuff that I took in, I had a radio, I took some books, all of that was gone, stamps were gone. I think people are due their opinion. Jane: So, there came a point where you thought, OK, I dont know how long Im going to be here. Various media stories estimated his salary at between 275,000[26] and 475,000; the party indicated the latter figure was "inaccurate" and that his salary was "substantially less" but refused to provide an exact figure. Colton came . And it was over 20 years of my life, Jane, as you know. Andy: Yeah, I dont wear it like a badge but I dont hide it because its true and theres nothing I can do about it now. Andys been upfront about that aspect of his CV during this podcast series and, indeed, has talked openly with his former prison mate, the England cricketer Chris Lewis, but hes never discussed his own crisis in any depth, until now. September 18, 2020. Its proper drama. I dont have too many dark days any more but I do have the odd grey day, I think everybody does, for all sorts of reasons. Jane: Hard not to be, though, I would have thought. 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